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After years of former Pakistani military dictator General Musharraf assuring the world that bin Laden was either dead or in Afghanistan, he was found and dispatched by US special forces in the town of Abbottabad, a mere 30 miles - 50km as the crow flies from the capital Islamabad.
Abbottabad is a colonial era army "cantonment" or garrison town and home to the Pakistan Military Academy PMA Kakul, less than two miles from the compound in question. To put it in perspective, it is like capturing Carlos the Jackal just down the road from West Point or Sandhurst. The notion that Pakistan's all pervasive Army-controlled Inter-Services Intelligence was unaware of bin Laden's presence beggars belief. Although Bush-era National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley feigned total surprise about the location and its implications in an on-air interview after the news broke, WikiLeaks, as well as other sources such as investigative journalist Bob Woodward's most recent book, tell a very different story. By 2008, the United States political and military leadership had lost all remnants of faith in the trustworthiness of the Pakistani military and its intelligence wing, the ISI, internally acknowledging that it consistently "hunted with the hounds and ran with the hares", including the Afghan Taliban, the Haqqanis, and the Lashkar-e-Taiba -and was involved in planning terrorist attacks from Kabul to Mumbai. Pakistani intelligence has had a close relationship with bin Laden since the early 1980s, when he acted as a courier, transferring funds from Saudi intelligence and its establishment to the Pakistani Jamaat-e-Islami to support the anti-Soviet jihad. It is no surprise that bin Laden chose to relocate to eastern Afghanistan, an area within Pakistan's sphere of influence, in 1996 - after he was expelled from Sudan under US pressure. Of course, the relationship has never been smooth , Pakistan's opportunism alienated al-Qaeda just as much as such behaviour alienated the United States but also made it just as indispensable. Funded by the US taxpayer Despite this, the United States continued to funnel billions to the Pakistani armed forces in sophisticated weapons and cash , most recently a $2 billion package announced in October 2010 under the State Department's Foreign Military Finance Program. The US is paying, not only for the use of Pakistan as a logistical corridor to its troops in Afghanistan, but for the privilege of conducting an increasingly aggressive covert counter-terrorism campaign on Pakistani soil often against the Pakistani government's client groups. Analysis by SISMEC, the New America Foundation and others showed a massive increase in drone strikes in the tribal area of North Waziristan after the summer of 2008, largely aimed at pro-ISI groups such as the Haqqani network. Most recently, US security contractor Raymond Davis was held in Pakistan for almost two months (17 January to March 16, 2011) after fatally shooting two alleged ISI agents, when he was believed to be surveilling the LeT in Lahore. As for Davis' claim that he thought he was being robbed, well that one's for the birds. The Davis saga came at the same time that the Obama administration was reportedly finalising plans for the killing of Osama bin Laden, a coincidence that we are sure we will be hearing more about. America's first attempt to kill Osama bin Laden came 13 years ago in August 1998, when president Bill Clinton launched "Operation Infinite Reach" in retaliation for the suicide bombings that devastated US embassies in Nairobi and Daressalam. Sixty six cruise missiles were launched from the Arabian Sea at camps in eastern Afghanistan to kill Al Qaeda's senior leadership who were due to meet in a shura council. Pakistan's military leadership was informed by US counterparts shortly before the missiles entered their airspace, just in case they mistook it for an Indian attack (India and Pakistan had just tested nuclear weapons earlier in May). Shortly after, bin Laden cancelled his planned meeting. Many US officials believe the Pakistani Army and the ISI tipped bin Laden off. Covert operations It is this long and frustrating history that explains why the US chose to conduct this mission covertly and unilaterally. In spite of face-saving Pakistani claims of joint execution, it was conducted in much the same way the US might have in a semi-hostile country, such as Syria in October 2008, rather than its proclaimed "frontline ally" in what used to be called the "war on terror". It seems that Pakistani authorities had no clear idea of what was going on until it was all over, and a US helicopter bearing the SEAL team and bin Laden's body touched down at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan. There is an inevitable question about timing. Why on earth did it take the US so long to succeed? The standard, official defence was that this was a rugged area, filled with implacably hostile tribesmen. Today, questions are being finally asked about the Pakistani Army's complicity. The truth is deeper, and more unpleasant, and has much to do with the ways in which dictators around the world manipulate US policy with embarrassing ease. For almost seven years after 9/11, General Musharraf, a warmonger who seized power in a coup in 1999, assured Bush that he was the only man who could hold back the violent fundamentalists and prevent them from seizing control of Pakistan's government and its nuclear weapons. The US should not push too hard, but rather leave Musharraf to crush the extremists. The reality was that the Pakistani government deliberately supported the takeover of extremist parties - such as the Islamist MMA alliance in 2003 and facilitated the comeback of the Taliban, all the while profiting handsomely from generous US aid and the lifting of nuclear sanctions. This was despite the fact that democratically elected governments in both Afghanistan (Karzai's 2004 election was accepted as free and fair) and India complained vociferously of the Pakistani military's support of extremist groups in both their countries. Eventually a newly amalgamated Pakistani Taliban turned on their former patrons in the government. Despite this, Pakistan continued to support the Afghan Taliban, the Haqqani group, and the LeT, and the political leadership in the US continued to enrich a militarist dictatorship that fanned the flames of extremism at the cost of thousands of Asian and American lives. A new approach Since Bush's final year in power, freed from the baleful influence of Donald Rumsfeld, the US has taken a much firmer line with Pakistan's military calling its bluff by acting more directly against extremists, and demanding ever greater accountability (for example the Kerry-Lugar bill) for the billions in assistance poured into Pakistan. However these measures were totally inadequate for the stew of militarism, illiteracy, and bad governance. The Arab Spring has eroded many of the conventional assumptions about the relationship between dictators, Islamists and the West. In Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Yemen and Syria, we heard dictators playing the Islamist card for three decades "support us unless you want the terrorists to win". The reality has been quite different. Dictators from Musharraf to Mubarak have relied on terrorists and extremists to bring in the US aid they so desperately need to survive. In the case of the Pakistani Army, they have been only too happy to feed the hand that bites them. Musharraf, having worn out the patience of both the Pakistani public and his US patrons was finally forced out in August 2008. He has been replaced with a weak civilian government that has served as little more than a useful facade for an army that remains addicted to both jihad and US money. It is a stark warning of what the Arab Spring in Tunisia and Egypt can turn in to unless people remain vigilant. Today, the US continues to lavishly fund the Pakistani military, while using drones and secret soldiers such as Raymond Davis to attack the extremist forces that the same regime supports. It is up to the US to stop feeding the beast. Comments (29) Jam_Ali wrote on 03 May, 2011
Mr. DannyM, your history and world affair knowledge is pathetic and being a RSS pracharak you cannot think in a rational way.
Osama if he has done anything evil is due to US only as they propped him up to fight against the Russians. Even no one is sure whether Osama was killed on Sunday night as the story does not help anyone other than Obama who is desperate to win the next presidential term. Have you thought why a superpower needs 10 years to kill an ailing man? Now coming to the US allegation, most Indians differ. His Holiness Shahi Imam Bukhari of the historic Jama Masjid, Delhi said "I don't believe that Osama was a terrorist. To call someone 'terrorist' the evidences are needed before the court of law, but a single court of the world declared him a terrorist. It is the assertion of the United States and NATO that he was a terrorist. Why should we believe them?" We Indians if we have some self respect should not be wagging our tails like dogs on these US propaganda. Jam_Ali wrote on 03 May, 2011
I want to ask the Hindus and salve mentality Muslims of India who were expressing grief on the 9/11 incident what are their views about those thousands of innocent Muslims who were killed in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Palestine and now are being killed in Libya? My brother maaz, will you speak up now?
cosmicbomber wrote on 03 May, 2011
Jam Are you the spoke person of Bukhari? His Unholiness is a big moronic fanatic and should be behind bars on trial for instigating terrorism. But thanks to Sonia Maino he is being allowed to blabber but the fact is even very few Muslims do care about what he says.. forget Indians.
cosmicbomber wrote on 03 May, 2011
Jam, Let me give you the answer on the behalf of Hindus and Jews. As long as you will indulge, instigate and enthuse people to terrorism, we will be on hot pursuit and in the process several innocent lives will also get killed, can't help it and you will be living in fool's paradise that because of innocent children will be killed Israel will stop bombing the Palestinian terror camps and houses that shelter these thugs. You can expect that in India under Sonia Maino and eunuch politicians but the Israel and US treatment serves the terrorists right and without these there would have been hundred times more terror attacks by Islamis jihadis.
If you want seriously to save your innocent folks, then stop terrorism and ban any kind sermons in the mosques after Friday prayers, even some mosques should be closed for years till some sense of civility of restored. DannyM wrote on 04 May, 2011
Jam Ali@ The most rational way of thinking is to call a terrorist a terrorist.
Muslims in Pakistan are killed by Muslims only,in Afganistan by Muslims only. What sort of proof is required to understand that Osama Bin Laden is a terrorist? Do you require a court of law to prove or believe that a tiger is carnivorous? Why so many innocent people die at Pakistan almost every now and then? Why so much violence and terrorist strikes in the Central Asia and in African continent? We can draw a conclusion that wherever the majority are followers of Islam, there is always blood shed and violence. I strongly believe that there is something wrong somewhere in the your religion. I fully agree with CB's views on your unholy Imam and he should be kept under strict vigilance by the home ministry. Horrified_Harihar wrote on 04 May, 2011
Jam, if there could be jubilation across the Arab world after 9/11 WTC bombing, I think it is a very natural and spontaneous reaction after the elimination of the world's most dreaded terrorist after painful 10 years.
Horrified_Harihar wrote on 04 May, 2011
This Bukhari bugger is planning to mourn OBL's death this Friday in Jummah Masjid and our spineless government has not clue what to do about it.
Jam_Ali wrote on 21 May, 2011
Gentlemen, you are just not getting a simple point. Osama, cannot be called a terrorist simply because he has not been proven guilty of the crimes attributed to him. In fact he was not on the 9/11 wanted list. Do you know this?
There is no doubt he will go down to history and will be long remembered when Bush, Obama, Blair etc. will be forgotten. Whatever it is, he succeeded in driving the Russians out of Afghanistan, which resulted in the dismantling the Soviet Union and bringing down the Berlin Wall, which the "so-called" Super Powers could not do. Jam_Ali wrote on 21 May, 2011
@Horrified, just shut your filthy mouth, how dare you say such words about Shahi Imam?? It is his democratic right to mourn anybody and is it the Geneva convention to tie a dead body in a sack and throw in the sea and feed it to sharks? Shame on America and the boor lickers of America like you.
DannyM wrote on 23 May, 2011
JAMALI@ Charity begins at home! When you use abusive languages against hindu sadhus, then you think it is the democratic right you mohamadans enjoy. But if something is said against your Imam, then you can not tolerate. This intolerance is one of the reasons behind muslims turning into jehadis, causing mass murder, spreading terrorism, a headache of this civilized world etc. That Imam can not support an international terrorist like Osama. Supporters of terrorism should be strictly dealt with as per the law of our land.
Jam_Ali wrote on 27 May, 2011
Dannym, lets face the naked truth, most Hindu sadhus are fraud and thats why you yourself admitted that they are ridiculed in cinemas and fictions, so if that is the real character then why I should be afraid to depict them in the befitting manner which they deserve. There may be some exceptiosn but then the majority are all frauds and they indulge into sex and drugs in the name of religion which is unthinkable in Islam and that's why Prophet Mohammed (p.b.u.h) was against any human worship and kept the religion as pure as it was 1400 years ago.
DannyM wrote on 27 May, 2011
JAMALI@ Lets us also face the naked truth that most of the terrorists are muslims.The Muslim religious leaders always make them excited in the name of Allha and jehad to encourage them to undertake all sorts of destructive activities. They also get inspiration from The Koran and Hadish. As a result muslims are killing muslims( recent attack of Talibans at Pakistan). Secondly civilized people are scared of destruction and violence. Since Hindus are not destructive in nature and Jehadis, some secular people take this advantage and use abusive words against Hindu Sadhus, gods and Goddess. But see what Musalmans did in Denmark when a cartoon picture was drawn on Hazarat Muhammad.Most of the Madrasas are engaged in anti national activities, they give shelters to drug peddlers, stock arms. Emams of mosques deliver anti hindu provocative lectures after friday prayers, support and mourn after death of terrorists like Osama.Hence the lesser you say about Hindu Sadhus, the better for you.
Jam_Ali wrote on 27 May, 2011
Who is then Swami Aseemananda? Is he a reincarnation of Swami Vivekananda? Those who live in glass houses ought not to throw stones, you first make in-depth study of events and then come to attack me or I will slice you in public domain using facts and reason not like the character assassination that you are doing of the Holy Prophet (p.b.u.h).
DannyM wrote on 27 May, 2011
JAM DAMN@ who are these people, Dawood Ibrahim, Zaki ur Rehman Lakhwi, Kasav? Are they sons, cousins or reincarnation of p.b.u.h ? The terrorist and butcher mentality has surfaced up from your statement "I will slice you" You guys can make derogatory remarks on Hindu gods and goddess, Sadhus and think than nobody would tell you anything. At first you try to restrain yourself then preach other, understood jug headed jam.
Khair wrote on 29 December, 2011
@JAM ALI, you are indeed a disgrace to Islam and humanity. You have matched DANNYM and his cohorts in your display of bigotry. How can you defend the terrorist Osama Bin Laden simply because an RSS stooge is opposing OBL? You are engaged in a race to the bottom with DANNYM and there is no doubt you will lose that race. I don't know what you seek to achieve from this encounter?
DannyM wrote on 29 December, 2011
Khair@Every civilized person would oppose OBL.For that affiliation to any outfit is not necessary.OBL has had lots of sympathizers who do not open up their minds in public.
There is no point in sensing the ghost of RSS everywhere.Why don't you help jam Ali to win this so called "race" and lift him from the bottom? Then you would be rendering great service to your folks!!! Khair wrote on 01 January, 2012
@DANNYM, what do you mean by "your folks"? Please explains!
I have no desire to let JAM ALI win this race to the bottom. Your are ahead so far by all accounts and readers wouldn't care if you stayed there as long as you wished and JAM ALI can join you there in due course and give you company. You could carry on your bigoted arguments to your hearts content. Khair wrote on 01 January, 2012
read "explain" instead of "explains" above. Thanks
DannyM wrote on 02 January, 2012
Khair@ "You Folks" means a group of people with same ideology.
Good to see that you have taken up the baton from Jam Ali It is clear that your new year's resolution was to denounce DannyM that is why you had started 2012 by vigorously attacking DannyM. Why should Jam Ali lag behind when he is having such a versatile friend like you? Wish you every success!!! Khair wrote on 02 January, 2012
@DANNYM, New Year or not, my resolution has always been to denounce bigotry whatever shape it comes from. I don't try to identify what religion a person belongs to like you do. To me a bigot is a bigot whether he identifies himself as a Muslim or Hindu or anything else for that matter. That is why I am equally vocal against both you and JAM ALI, although I do note that JAM ALI has gone quiet these days; hopefully he had good sense to realise his folly.
cosmicbomber wrote on 02 January, 2012
Statistically speaking, BIGOT and BIGOTRY are the 2 mostly used words in Admanya in 2011 and lets hope we can all focus on some other new word in 2012.
DannyM wrote on 02 January, 2012
Khair@ Yes, you identify yourself as a crusader against bigotry. May be you might have played the role of an eye opener to JAM Ali or may be he is conserving his energy to bounce back with greater vigor and intensity .But definitely you would find yourself on the line of his firing.We are eagerly waiting for that circus.
cosmicbomber wrote on 02 January, 2012
OBL was the BIGOT No. 1 - I hope everyone agrees to this point including Jam.
cosmicbomber wrote on 02 January, 2012
@ Khair, are you anyhow related to Mr. Tabish Khair who wrote the book, "How to Fight Islamist Terror from the Missionary Position" published by Harper Collins?
DannyM wrote on 02 January, 2012
CB@ Yes, all the Admaniacs should be grateful to Mr Khair who is a living dictionary on this subject.
Vani wrote on 02 January, 2012
@ CB, OBL and dannym are both bigots, it is almost unanimous :) lolz :P dannym, you have been demolished point by point by khair and now you have become a mad mod, biting every one at sight. Take a break and do some study before writing your crap bigot views.
DannyM wrote on 02 January, 2012
Vani@ Mad mod? Please given reference of the dictionary which you follow to help me understand the meaning. You mean to say that Mr Khair is a bulldozer operator in Australia?
Khair wrote on 03 January, 2012
@COSMICBOMBER, undoubtedly OBL was a great bigot and the world is much better off without the likes of him. However, it is interesting that he does not make the list of the top 10 bigots (all men incidentally).
At the top is Adolf Hitler followed in sequence by Richard Girnt Butler, William Joseph Simmons, The Mexica Movement, Ian Paisley, Jack T. Chick, Yahweh ben Yahweh, Samuel Bowers, Henry Ford, and at the bottom of the list is Wallace Fard Muhammad. (source: http://listverse.com/2010/02/12/10-terrible-bigots-in-modern-history/) Khair wrote on 06 January, 2012
@COSMICBOMBER, the high use of these words is probably indicative of the alarming prevalence in our societies of the phenomena these words describe. Let us do one better than what you suggest, let us focus on opposing bigotry every time it raises its ugly head in 2012.
May I also point out that if bigotry is the bottom of the bottomless pit of ignorance, extremism is the door leading to it? Once we open ourselves to extremism we basically start closing ourselves to reason so much so that it may lead us eventually to bigotry where we resort to all sorts of falsehoods to make a point against groups we dislike. We must avoid extreme statements that do no good other than to spread ill will, like ban the mosque, close the mandir, and so on and so forth.
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